VW Golf 2.0 8V Digifant (Tuning cega?)

VW Golf 2.0 8V Digifant (Tuning cega?)

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Ovako, tumarajucu putevima internetskim nabasam da je lik uradio bla bla i da auto ide bolje e sad ima li neko malo "strucniji" da laicki prevede sta je uradio :D

Citiram:

"Too many people complain about flat performance and 'digi-lag' on their 8vs. Not many people know that this isn't actually
how the car is supposed to run, and is the result of the car not being set up properly. After spending an afternoon setting the timing, idle & CO properly my GTI is like a rocket with instant throttle responce and blistering performance

First thing to do is buy a new Blue temp sender from VW, it only costs £13. It's listed on ETKA as being for cars equipped with a catalyst, but it is the right one for your car! Don't bother with GSF ones as they tend to fail prematurely!
Next replace all the vacuum lines from the inlet manifold, these are VERY important as the Fuel Pressure Regulator is controlled by inlet vacuum, any leaks and it will lag behind the throttle!
Don't forget the blanked off line BEHIND the throttle body, its easy to miss [:Y:]

Invest in an exhaust gas analyser & timing light, it will save you money and time in the long run. Plus you wont have to gamble that your local numpty mechanics know how to set up a Digifant properly!

Idle/CO:
1. Get the engine up to temp, at least 80 degrees on the MFA oil temp display
2. Turn the engine off and remove & plug the intake side of the breather pipe between the 'flying saucer' on the rocker cover & air intake
3. Hold the MFA button in and turn the ignition on, off and on again, then start the car. This puts the MFA into a 'secret' mode. Put the MFA switch to setting 2 and press the button till you get the digital rev counter, position 2 I think
4. Unplug the blue temp sender and rev the engine cleanly over 3k rpm 3 times, letting it return to idle each time.
5. Check the RPM display, adjust the idle with the idle screw on the throttle body to about 850-900 rpm. Clockwise to decrease, anticlockwise to increase
6. If you have a CO meter, block off one of the talipipes (i use a load of duck tape) and shove the probe up the pipe. Follow the manufacturers instructions, and set the CO to about 1.8ish using the allen screw on the MAF, clockwise to increase, anticlockwise to decrease. NOTE: You must take the reading when the rad fan ISN'T running, once it cuts in it'll throw outr the reading a little!

If you don't have a CO meter, turn the screw in until the engine starts to sound rough then back it out gradually till the idle sounds smooth & even. Check the aerial or bonnet stay for vibration, you want it smooth as possible. This will get you close, then take it to a garage to get it set properly.
7. Reset the idle to 850-900 rpm if it has changed, and adjust the CO accordingly, repeat till you get 1.8 at 850-900 rpm

Timing:
1. Take out spark plug #1 and turn the engine over by hand with a spanner on the crank pulley nut until the piston reaches the top of its travel. Check by either shining a torch doen the hole or putting summat long & thin down there like a dowl rod.
2. Next check the punched hole on the inside of the camshaft sproket lines up with the head surface, with the cam cover removed. If not slacken the tensoner and move to suit.
3. Take the dizzy cap off and make sure the rotor arm is lined up with the mark on the dizzy, which should correspond to spark plug lead #1, if not loosen the tensioner and turn the intermediate shaft. This is a little tricky with the cambelt cover in place, though I managed to do it by removing the bolt here and bending the cover outwards.

Once you've done all that the timing should be pretty close, the next step is to set the dizzy advance. You MUST set the timing to the factory spec, 6 deg BTDC, there is no need to set any further advance as this is done automatically by the ECU. If you don't set it to factory spec, you'll likely REDUCE performance & MPG as the ECU cannot adjust the timing properly.

Heres a nice pic of the marks you're looking for, shamelessly stolen from the vortex, link found by the legendary 'TSC' from ClubGTI
You can see the arrow on the gearbox casing, the large notch with a bit of red paint is the 6degree BTDC mark, and the small round 'dent' to the right is the TDC timing mark. Before you start I'd highlight both marks with tippex to make them more visible

http://vwtech.no-ip.info/images/golf/flywheelmark.jpg

1. Remove the green plastic screw in cap in the top of the gearbox, not just the little seethru cap in the middle, the hole isn't big enough to see the timing marks.
2. Get the engine up to temp, at least 80 degrees on the MFA oil temp display and turn the engine off
3. Hook up your timing light as per the manufacturers instructions
4. Start the engine again, switching on the 'secret' MFA rev counter if desired as per above, then disconnect the blue temp sender
5. Rev the engine between 2k-2.5k, and point the timing light into the hole, the 6 degree BTDC mark should now be aligned, if not loosen the dizzy clamp bolt and turn the dizzy as required
6. Rev the engine to 2.5k again, then reconnect the blue temp sensor. The timing should advance by about 30 degrees
7. If the timing only advances about 20 degrees, loosen the knock sensor bolt and retighten to 20 Nm (15 Ibf ft) and repeat. If there is still no improvement, check the wiring and if this is ok replace the knock sensor.
If there is no advance at all, check the wiring to the blue temp sensor."

Orginalni link:

http://www.clubgti.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-124949.html

Hvala :D
 
Član
Zamjenio par senzora,zamjenio sva vakum crijeva,ufazio motor,nastimao CO2 emisije i to je to.
Svakom autu bi to godilo,nije ovo nikakv tuning.
 
Al_Galone je napisao(la):
Zamjenio par senzora,zamjenio sva vakum crijeva,ufazio motor,nastimao CO2 emisije i to je to.
Svakom autu bi to godilo,nije ovo nikakv tuning.

Sad jos manje kontam cemu sve to.... nego intresuje me ono sto kaze nabije na 80c pa udje u neka podesavanja.... koga cega :D
 

MyX

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erve34axim je napisao(la):
Sad jos manje kontam cemu sve to.... nego intresuje me ono sto kaze nabije na 80c pa udje u neka podesavanja.... koga cega :D

Bas kako je Al_galone rekao, ustimao motor da radi sto bi se reklo fabricki..
A ovo sto navuce temp na 80 pa ukcljucuje ''skriveni meni'' MFA, radije se mani toga i odvezi auto na moto tester, odnosno na postimavanje CO2...takodjer i senzore malo checkiraj i to ti je to... ;)
 
Razumem :) Ma nisam ni mislio cackati, cisto me zanimao taj skriveni meni posto se bavim racunarima pa profesionalna deformacija, privlaci me ono skriveno :D
 
Član
Skriveni meni ti je stisnes dugme na rucici i drzis, das kontakt jednom, vratis, i drugi put palis, kad upalis pustis dugme i to ti je to
 
I sta mogu tu da cackam :D

OFF TOPIC:
BTW Srdjan juce uzeo od mene feluge iste tvoje :D Sad ste ko blizanci, isti auto iste feluge :)
 
Član
erve34axim je napisao(la):
I sta mogu tu da cackam :D

OFF TOPIC:
BTW Srdjan juce uzeo od mene feluge iste tvoje :D Sad ste ko blizanci, isti auto iste feluge :)

Pa ne bih rekao da su isti :icon_biggrin:

a tu čačkaš svašta, pritisak ulja, trenutna potrošnja, rpm motora ... ;)
 
Početnik
MyX je napisao(la):
erve34axim je napisao(la):
Sad jos manje kontam cemu sve to.... nego intresuje me ono sto kaze nabije na 80c pa udje u neka podesavanja.... koga cega :D

Bas kako je Al_galone rekao, ustimao motor da radi sto bi se reklo fabricki..
A ovo sto navuce temp na 80 pa ukcljucuje ''skriveni meni'' MFA, radije se mani toga i odvezi auto na moto tester, odnosno na postimavanje CO2...takodjer i senzore malo checkiraj i to ti je to... ;)

E sto se nalupaste gluposti to je cudo jedno :lol: Kakvi ba skriveni meniji ??? :lol:

Prvo, sto se tice texta, meni se cini da je ovo za 1.8 8V motor iz GTI dvice a ne za 2.0 8V iz trice....
Uglavnom,

- govori ti da navuces auto na 80 stepeni zato sto je to minimalni prag radne temperature i tada ECU prebaci mixanje smjese u normalni rezim a da bi smjesu i sve ostalo stimao, ne smije biti drugih rezima tipa povecan ler zbog hladnog motora (upajlen saug i sl.) jer tad stimanje nije "cisto".

- plavi senzor amerikanci vole da optuze za svaki kvar na digifantu. U sustini, senzor kupi temperaturu vode (isto ko sto radi i crni senzor koji ti daje temperaturu na kazaljku) i tu informaciju proslijedu ECU-u koji na osnovu toga zna koliko je motor ugrijan i po tome mu mixa smjesu. Test senzora je jako jednostavan, upalis auto i otkacis ga. Ako obrtaji skoce, onda senzor radi. Takodjer, na radnoj temperaturi motora treba da daje otpor oko 200 ohma.

- CO2 senzor imaju samo Golfovi Digifanti za USA trziste, dakle ti ga nemas. Kod tebe je 2E ili AGG motor i u tom slucaju mozes imati samo lambda sondu koje se ne moze "stimat" Ako je dvica onda je to PB motor i on nema ni senzora ni lambda sonde....

- vakum crijeva je uvijek dobro promjeniti. Kod zamjene trazi ojacana (pletena) vakum crijeva i lijepo sanj sve mozes promjeniti

- kod nekih motora (starije tipe) postoji i ISV ventil za stabilizaciju ler-a. Njega je dobro skinuti i isprati sa sprejem za ciscenje karburatora. Zna bit raznoh smeca unutra....

- ovo gdje ti kaze ad 3 puta zaturiras do 2500 rpm, to ti je signal za ECU da se resetuje i pokupi (memorise) nove postavke ako si sta na autu mjenjao od pomenutih senzora ili podesavao protok zraka (stimanje smjese) na MAF-u koji ti je na kutiji zracnog filtera. Papci "strucnjaci" MAF inace vole otvorit pa unutra cackat misleci da se to tako stima :lol: Nije ga swabo djabe hermeticki zatvorio i ostavio samo jedan saraf za stimanje al eto.... Kod trice nema sarafa za stelovanje. Mozes izvuci senzor pa ga umocit u alkohol da se malo ocisti al ga niposto direktno krpicom dirat...

- podesavanje smjese radis kao posljednji korak, nakon sto pregledas sev vakume, senzore, ISV i kad ugrijes motor na radnu temp. Moras zakacit CO metar na auspuh i mjerit CO dok stimas saraf na MAF-u kako nebi pretjerao sa smjesom. Kod stimanja, mora se uzeti u obzir i nadmorska visina na kojoj se auto najvise vozi (Za Sarajevo je to 540 metara) Postoji tabelica prema kojoj racunas CO prema nadmorskoj visini....
 
Član
E Turbina svaka ti cast ovo si odlicno objasnio , taj dio koji pokazuje podatke temperature i odredjuje smjesu zove se termo-geber, na mom autu je (mk3 GTI 2.0 8v) riknuo i trosilo mi auto 2-3 litra vise "majstor" mi rekao lambda sonda,drugi reko geber, ja skopcao auto na dijagnostiku pokazao mi geber zamjenio i to je to
 
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